油管观众讨论苏美城市设计、社会主义和资本主义

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JGVBv7svKLo

很有意思的讨论

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Never7Dice
WHAT ARE THE ODDS!? I see my house on 1:32 on the far right top corner of the image. Aahaahaha, that footage was shot from
ulitsa Bakinskaya 6, Minsk, Belarus.
And that's not an edge of the city in this case, it's 1km from main railway station of this country
P.S. My opinion is that микрорайоны - are awesome, no need to have a personal car to live fully is great, a lot of stuff accessible by foot and a variety of transport to get elsewhere far

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blitzwaffe
The micro district system makes so much sense and is exactly how I imagined an ideal city would be planned. In the US, depending on where you live, you can't really go too far without a car since the infrastructure was built around major roads so you can end up super far away from important places. The micro district for the most part eliminates the need to have a car to get somewhere which means less traffic jams, pollution, and dependence on cars. Having a car is nice but when you don't have one, it sucks in the US.

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Emil Andreasson
I live in Sweden and here are many cities that look exactly like some of these Russians buildings.

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illesizs
I live in a Soviet style industrial city and I must tell you, these microdistricts are a lot better than either the standardized grid system or cul-de-sacs, in terms of traffic flow, accessibility and even aesthetically (from the inside). Yes, the buildings are big and bulky, but they are all placed around neat little parks and plazas. When I look out the window, I can barely see the surrounding wall of buildings from all the greenery.
If you play any city-building game, definitely give microdistricts a try!  You'll be surprised, how efficient they can be.

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Richard Rootless
I live in postsoviet country and I can tell that I admire soviet planning because space between houses is massive and filled with lawn and trees. Huge playing grounds for children. Now they squeeze houses next to each other. You can see your naked neighbour lol.
Also you have to understand that people in soviet union rapidly transferred from poor village houses with literally no floor (which was just ground) to flats with running water and electricity. This was most progressive rise of living and sanitary conditions humanity ever experienced.

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paco ramon
China looks like the worst of both Worlds, you have the corporatism abd labor explotation of capitalism and the lack of individual freedoms of communist.

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Shifftee
And they also laughed at how all the products people bought in Soviet shops  were wrapped into biodegradable sheets of paper and how people had to carry their own shopping bags while the "civilized capitalist" countries had plastic bags at the stores... Now everyone whining about ecology, trying to persuade the public to stop using plastic.
If we want to save the humanity and our planet, we, the workers, should unite!

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PatrickDeHoyos
@Ray Last Another type of capitalism is not possible*
There is no gangster capitalism. It is just capitalism. Adding crony, corporate, gangster, etc whatever adjective of that type to capitalism only tries to obscure the fact that capitalist incentives inherently create corruption, monopoly, gangsterism, cronyism, etc.

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Ray Last
And that part of the world was always impoverished. Russia was gangster-capitalism before 1917 and it is gangster-capitalism after 1991. Another type of capitalism is not possible for Russia, like much of the world, and real progress only possible when all exploitation ends.

And how much better are we off now? Not by much, for most of us,