强烈要求论坛管理员对RCP驱除(原因:破坏左派联盟)

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坚决反对如伪共专制当局一样压制言论

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周幺婶 发表于 2012-9-12 18:54
冷嘲热讽薄熙来,薄熙来是重庆人民好书记！冷嘲公有制！
   支持楼主要求！  就要压制发动言论，离间分化左 ...

谁是反动言论，你说了算？
你们这种毛派上台和伪共当局是一样的，官僚主义方式地压制言论，把不同观点自己定义为反动言论，结果就是落到无产阶级身上，导致你们官僚主义的做法成为压制无产阶级的工具，你们做的和伪共当局一样糟糕。群众再也不是盲从者了，他们会独立思考，什么是对他们有利的应该有他们自己去判断而不是毛派官僚主义份子去代劳。

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海岩 发表于 2012-9-12 20:48
这种人是有图谋的，目的是破坏左派论坛。左派网站本就被当局公开打压，背后再遭民独轮分子打着“伪左”旗号 ...

你们这些伪马列主义者能击败胡温是不可能的，压制言论是封建的东西或法西斯的东西，伪共坚持压制言论，必然要被人民推翻，因为言论自由是人类历史发展的方向和潮流，你们和伪共一样成为逆历史潮流而动的反动势力。

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马克思主义者根本不怕资产阶级意识形态甚至造谣，因为马克思主义者相信工人阶级，除非在非常时期，马克思主义者不会控制群众的任何言论，否则必然滑向官僚主义结果导致无产阶级任何言论遭到官僚主义的压制，这是苏联和中国60年来的历史教训，也是工人国家畸形化而最终丧失政权的主观原因

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海岩 发表于 2012-9-12 21:12
嘴炮先生，你用你那无比神奇的马列托东西，怎么不去推翻伪共啊？ 压制怎么啦，你学马列，不知道阶级社会 ...

你的理论素养太差，根本不懂什么是言论自由

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海岩 发表于 2012-9-12 21:26
你显然没有分清人民与敌人的关系，对人民内部，自然不能压制言论，对敌人及破坏分子，是不是要完全放纵言 ...

言论自由是就国家政权层面而言的不以言论获罪，而学术自由是另外一个问题，如果论坛是开放性的，就应该反对压制言论，你可以批判辟谣极力反对不同观点，但必须让人发言，除了谩骂等论坛版规已经明确不准出现的违规才能按版规处理，所以版规是必须的，不能随意主观地定义别人不同观点为反动观点或敌人，这是不恰当的，是法西斯是封建

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马克思认为，出版自由乃是“人类精神的特权”，是资产阶级议会民主政治的前提条件。“没有出版自由，其它一切自由都将成为泡影。”正是因为如此，马克思极为憎恨专制统治者的思想压制。他把书报检查比作使夜莺失明，强制给自由人削发一样残忍无理，认为这是一种“拙劣的警察手段”

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卡尔·马克思也对书报审查制度充满了厌恶，他认为，对思想进行审查是专制主义的特征。言论出版自由是人类最基本的自由权利，管制出版物及实行新闻检查，作为意识形态控制的产物，是对人类理性的迫害，“杀死一个人只是杀死一个理性动物，但不准书刊出版，乃是毁灭理性本身。”“使夜莺失明，你们认为残忍，但是检查官用锋利的笔头挖去了出版物的眼睛，你们却不认为残忍。强制给自由人削发，你们认为是蛮横无理，而检查制度每天都在有思想的人的活生生的肉体上开刀，只有没有精神没有反应的驯服的存在物他才认为是健康的。”（《马克思恩格斯全集》第1卷，第73页）

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我再谈点看法：
1.言论自由一直是以国家政权层面谈的，论坛和媒体没有资格谈言论自由，这一点我必须强调，就是国家机器不能以言论而判人有罪，否则是封建的和法西斯的政权。我为什么在这里要强调这点呢，不是因为这里的网友要求封杀某ID，而是这些人如果当权必然要法西斯化，对言论治罪大搞文字狱或用国家机器压制言论（和伪共专制当局一样无耻），这就是苏联和中国60年来的事实，也是工人国家畸形化和最终丧失政权的主观原因之一。

2.学术自由是主要就媒体论坛学术研究机构等非国家主体而言的，这里不存在这些非国家主体能让人因言获罪的能力，不过他们可以压制言论，导致言论不畅的问题。

3特定的媒体论坛是有其底线和立场原则的，所以他有权根据其宗旨目的来监控言论，所以贵网完全有权限制言论和管理网友，但是我只是希望贵网能制定版规，大体规定哪类言论是允许的，哪类是不允许的，以便网友可以按章办事并决定是不是留下来或离开。
你看美国客观主义论坛就是说对于马克思主义的东西他们不欢迎但是可以严肃讨论：
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4为什么毛派的网站害怕异见分子占领毛派网站，可见毛派自己没有自信，你去美国客观主义网站宣言马克思主义试试，你一去就会遭到围攻似的“批驳”，因为那里聚集着大量客观主义者，有少数法轮功分子（比如）到毛派论坛来发言，你们这么'多“毛派分子讲一句话就能把他淹没，你们怕什么呢？你们为什么要通过压制言论的方式来保卫你们的网站呢

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